 | Oh ini tempat jjg dikisahken oleh sianseng Nio Joe Lan..... bener2 tread yg sanget bagoes, kalo tida salah Majooe terachir dari orang Tionghoa Sianseng Khouw Kim An beberapa saat setelah Imlex.... hm soenggoeh tragis dan memiloeken satoe pembesar yg banyak di tjintainya NB ini saja ada satoe gambar jang bisa kita bajangken soeasana di camp bagian orang Tionghoa jg soedah di djelasken pandjang lebar oleh sianseng Nio  |
| hoedjien74 wrote on Jun 19, '09, edited on Jun 19, '09 Bener buku "Dalem Tawan Djepang" ada buku repotase yg sangat baik TAPI SAJANG Nio Joe Lan boekan orang jang pande meoelis kisah, pernah batja "Penghuni Kalisosok" Indonesia Raya 1971 (tjerita bersamboeng) atawa Indonesia dalem api dan bara? oempama kisah itoe di toelis oleh Opa Kwee wah...... ini pasti ini boekoe sanget Istimewa |
 | anglenya bagus-bagus, salut buat anda.. |
 | perjalanan dan studi lengkap emang udah ciri loe
keren bos.....!!! |
 | damn! I didn't notice this spot ... |
| I spent like three minutes, getting down on my knees in front of his tomb... |
| in the same center line with the flag pole ... |
 |  pasti seru... aplg kl malam ad suara pesta dansa ... :)  Dan ada noni2 belande yang ngajak dansa Blue Danube waltz .... Wil je met me dansen, schat? Ini ada koleksi dari KITLV gedung Societeit Militair Tjimahi 1907...  |
| Mestinya denah Ini ada di boekoenja Sioanseng Nio + Semoga jij poenja angan2 lekas terkaboel  |
| Mestinya denah Ini ada di boekoenja Sioanseng Nio + Semoga jij poenja angan2 lekas terkaboel Interneeringskamp-nya Nio Joe Lan boekan di Baros, tante (di atas denah Baros Kamp)… Tapi di kompleks Bataljon ke-4. Lihat boekoe DTD hal. 212 (komunitas bambu, 2009): ”Tempat interneering kita sekarang ini ada 2 tangsi tentara, jaitoe dari Bataljon ka-4 dan Bataljon ka-9... Kamar-kamar jang kita dapet terletak di tangsi dari Bataljon ka-4.” Lihat di peta kanan-bawah ada toelisan ”Chinesen” itoelah tempat interneeringskamp-nja Nio Joe Lan. Petoendjoek lain di hal.220: ”Dari itoe doea geredja, jang berada di bagian Bataljon ka-9 ada Protestantsch dan jang di bilangan Bataljon ka-4 Roomsch-Katholiek.” Jadi saja kira denah jang lebih percies ada di bawah ini, di sitoe djoega toendjoek ada 2 geredja. Saja soeda tebelin itoe denah choesoes boeat area poenja ”Chinesen”. Selamet mentjermati.  Laloe dengen bekel itoe kaart Tjimahi 1941, kita bisa dapetken lokasi perciesnja itoe Bataljon ka-4 en ka-9. Tjoba kita tjermati bebarengan:  Apakah tante poenja minat boeat plesiran ke itoe Nio pernah mendekem di Tjimahi? |
 | Kalau bikin izin buat ke Evereld kalau niatnya hanya ingin lihat2 saja tanpa latar belakang apapun (pers/liputan dll) tidak mungkin ya? |
 | Great article Mahandis! I just wish I could read Indonesian to know what the comments say. Did you know that Baros 3 was for the "orang djahat" - according to the Japanese?
I assume they meant the troublemakers and thinking men.
My father in law, C.H Baker was in 4e battalion and finally in Baros 3. I have many of his stories written down, but I think one of the best for me was the story of the "urine bread":
In Baros 3 in late 1944/early 1945: there was a type of starch issued to the prisoners to eat - the stuff you stiffen shirts with - which was inedible. A Dutchman came up with the idea of collecting urine in bamboo poles and in the Baros 3 "laboratory" he somehow crystallized a nitrogen product and then made it react with the starch to produce a passable bread once it was baked in the prisoners' newly-designed mud and sawdust oven.
In his book "Tjideng Reunion", Boudewyn van Oort writes that this bread was delivered to women and children in Tjihapit camp in Bandung. Have you heard of BPM ? (Bataafsche Petroleum Maatschappij ? It was a big name in oil in the NEI.) Well, this yeast process was named "Baros Piss Mij"!
I think that the "miserable period" you mention was also full of wit, hope, ingenuity, and camaraderie. The more stories told like Baker's, van Kampen's and Van Oort's the better. There is a saying in England, which probably exists in Holland and Indonesia: "You can't keep a good man down". |
| Great article Mahandis! I just wish I could read Indonesian to know what the comments say. Did you know that Baros 3 was for the "orang djahat" - according to the Japanese?I assume they meant the troublemakers and thinking men.My father in law, C.H Baker was in 4e battalion and finally in Baros 3. I have many of his stories written down, but I think one of the best for me was the story of the "urine bread":In Baros 3 in late 1944/early 1945: there was a type of starch issued to the prisoners to eat - the stuff you stiffen shirts with - which was inedible. A Dutchman came up with the idea of collecting urine in bamboo poles and in the Baros 3 "laboratory" he somehow crystallized a nitrogen product and then made it react with the starch to produce a passable bread once it was baked in the prisoners' newly-designed mud and sawdust oven. In his book "Tjideng Reunion", Boudewyn van Oort writes that this bread was delivered to women and children in Tjihapit camp in Bandung. Have you heard of BPM ? (Bataafsche Petroleum Maatschappij ? It was a big name in oil in the NEI.) Well, this yeast process was named "Baros Piss Mij"!I think that the "miserable period" you mention was also full of wit, hope, ingenuity, and camaraderie. The more stories told like Baker's, van Kampen's and Van Oort's the better. There is a saying in England, which probably exists in Holland and Indonesia: "You can't keep a good man down". Thank you Flick, About "urine bread" I used to read in Boudewyn van Oort's article. Weird, but it was ok in that time: they made the yeast from urine! Have you the story why Baros 3 was the camp for "Orang Djahat". Was it criminals camp? The life in the internment camp was suffering, however, there were many unique or funny story (only happened in camp) inside the camp such as yeast from urine, kind of very liquid boeboer (poridge), how the dutch take of their hat for chinese chef... Here the Baros Camp entitled "Overdag rondom de barakken in het kamp Baros" by Kickhefer Jan, 1944.  Courtesy of GVNL - Koninklijke Bibliotheek Jan described with a drawing in color pencil and pen of a large group of men and boys around three barracks. Some lazy, others cooking or reading. Another drawing...  "Inzameling van Urine voor Gist" by Geer Boers, 9th of February 1945 Courtesy of GVNL - Koninklijke Bibliotheek Two men in the open air in tonnes are to pee. Left part of a shed on the pavement with a broom and a bucket. The men are at the end of a street. The pond site consists of three barrels with a bar above it. |
 | tidak salah lagi ... dimas Yoan memang muantabssss...... |
 | Wah, TFS... Cantik ya kuburannya... |
 | jadi ingat, lagi mau berdiri pas jongkok di depan sini pak Frangky teriak dari depan gerbang ;) |
|  "Boeboer-Rest-Rush (Laatste Run)" by MG Hartley, 1944 Courtesy of GVNL - Koninklijke Bibliotheek Drawing in pen and pencil about a number of men around a drum of boboer (poridge). According "Dalem Tawanan Djepang" by Nio Joe Lan p.235: "Sementara di Tjimahi kita dapet tempat tjokoep baek, aer tjoekoep banjak dan hawa tjoekoep segar, keadahan makanan ada djaoe dari memoeasken. ...Pagi satoe piring boeboer, jang kita namaken "lijm" boeat tambel peroet.... Ini makanan tida tjoekoep. Banjak dimengerti, banjak orang merasa lapar. (Everything was getting better in Tjimahi compared the previous camps, but about the meal, many POWs were not satisfied. Many people were still hungry) |
| In Baros 3 in late 1944/early 1945: there was a type of starch issued to the prisoners to eat - the stuff you stiffen shirts with - which was inedible. A Dutchman came up with the idea of collecting urine in bamboo poles and in the Baros 3 "laboratory" he somehow crystallized a nitrogen product and then made it react with the starch to produce a passable bread once it was baked in the prisoners' newly-designed mud and sawdust oven. In his book "Tjideng Reunion", Boudewyn van Oort writes that this bread was delivered to women and children in Tjihapit camp in Bandung. Have you heard of BPM ? (Bataafsche Petroleum Maatschappij ? It was a big name in oil in the NEI.) Well, this yeast process was named "Baros Piss Mij"! Aha... I found this case in the book "Dalem Tawanan Djepang" p. 241 by Nio Joe Lan as well:
"Di Tjimahi achli-achli dari segala roepa kalangan ada berkoempoel. Maka lekas djoega didapetken daja boeat bikin pembakaran roti tida bergantoeng lagi pada pemasoekan biang oleh Djepang. Dengen pendapetan ilmoe bikin biang dari...kentjing!
...Djoemblah jang perloe dari aer kentjing laloe dikoempoelken dan diangkoet ka satoe pendirian baroe, jang dinamaken Gistbedrijf (Peroesahaan Biang)..."
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| Orang Djahat: My father in law - I'm going to call him C H Baker now - C H Baker learnt much later that "about 1400 boys were transferred from Baros 3 to the boys camp... to make way for 1500 "prominenten". All the men who were moved with C H Baker 16th November 1944 to Baros 3 were professional men with degrees etc. There were civil servants, engineers, accountants, economists. It was believed by the Japanese that these "intelligentsia" could breed trouble in the other camps so they were segregated. C. H. Baker and his brother in law, Jan Hillen, were in Baros 3 until August 1945, when C.H Baker "escaped" from the camp to try to find his wife and three children in Tjideng, Batavia. But that's yet another story...
We are glad to say that no one from C H Baker's family or friends is buried at this cemetery, but others are in Bandung in Ereveld Pandu: Cornelius and Louise Hillen died in 1945, but their youngest son survived the boys camp and then the 4e battalion and returned to Holland to join his older brothers. Sadly, their parents never came home.
I hope these remarks offend no one; I don't mean to ask for pity but just to state facts.
Perhaps it's as well I can't understand bahasa Indonesia because I'm bound to upset someone!
Have you seen the M.G Hartley cartoons on Boudewyn's site? |
| Has anyone got any photos of Tjimahi Military Hospital - old or new? C H Baker's wife Joop trained as a nurse there.
Also, any photos of Hotel Berglust or the garden as it is now? Is the swimming pool still there? |
| Have you seen the M.G Hartley cartoons on Boudewyn's site? Yes, I have seen it.Yeast urine for bread by MG Hartley in 1942-45. “Do your duty gentlemen, otherwise no bread tomorrow.”  Courtesy of Boudewyn van Oort (Tjideng Reunion: A Memoir of World War II on Java). |
 | dengan segala hormat untuk mereka yang tidak tahu untuk apa mereka dikirim, untuk siapa mereka bertempur, untuk siapa mereka mati, dan dimana mereka dikebumikan, "SEMPER FIDELLIS" (always faithfull) HUUUYYYAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Can't wait to hear the story, it must be really interesting.
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"were in Baros 3 until August 1945, when C.H Baker "escaped" from the camp to try to find his wife and three children in Tjideng, Batavia. But that's yet another story..." |
| Has anyone got any photos of Tjimahi Military Hospital - old or new? C H Baker's wife Joop trained as a nurse there.
Also, any photos of Hotel Berglust or the garden as it is now? Is the swimming pool still there? flickbaker, do you by any chance have the map of Tjideng camp ? I use to live in that area. The area now is not well preserved, but relatively intact. |
| Has anyone got any photos of Tjimahi Military Hospital - old or new? C H Baker's wife Joop trained as a nurse there. Flick, I tried to fulfill your request :) this is the Military Hospital in Tjimahi taken before the war. Unfortunately, I dont have the present day photograph.  Miitary Hospital in Tjimahi - 1927 Established in 1887 Source: KITLV  Ziekenzaal a room for patients in Tjimahi Military Hospital - 1927 Source: KITLV |
| Also, any photos of Hotel Berglust or the garden as it is now? Is the swimming pool still there? I dont know the present day name of Hotel Berglust. Anyone knows? But I have photograph about swimming pool in Tjimahi...is this swimming pool belonged to Hotel Berglust?  Family J.M.R. Sandberg with friends in the swimming pool in Tjimahi - July 1924 Source: KITLV |
| Do you know, I've spent three months looking for pictures! How do you manage it? Is it a Dutch source?
Thanks very much. Can I get hold of larger/better resolution?
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Dipodipo: I am off to France for four months but while I am away I will read your comments again and try to answer. I also hope to post some of C H Baker's stories but give me a while to get settled.
I am really impressed with this discussion and the knowledge of you all - well, the ones I can understand of course!
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|  "Roeling Corvee at the Job" - Hartley MG July 1944 Pen drawing of a man with a bag over the shoulder and the bag with food in hand. Source: GVNL - Koninklijke Bibliotheek On Nio Joe Lan's diary p.272, we also found the description of "Roeling Corvee" as follows: "Laen corveeers loear poela adalah jang diseboet corveeers Roelink. Marika bekerdja di tangsi pasoekan meriam pagoenoengan, jang didjadikan kamp heiho, jalah soldadoe bangsa Indonesia... diseboet corvee Roelink menoeroet namanja kepala corvee, toean Roelink..." |
| kudu diorbitkan jadi menteri pariwisata, seni budaya & sejarah nech mah mahandis kudunya sech. |
|  "Tuincorvee" - Jan Kickhefer 1945 Source: GVNL - Koninklijke Bibliotheek A drawing in ink and pencil crops of eight sitting and a standing man, working in a garden. The garden is bordered by trees. Right and in the background are parts of buildings shown. According Nio Joe Lan diary of "Dalem Tawanan Djepang", Komunitas Bambu, p.267: "Pekerdjahan corveeers kebon adalah rawat kebonkembang, adaken kebon kembang baroe, tanem serta rawat poehoen kembang pinggir djalanan, oeroes keboen sajoer jang soeda ada... Kebon boenga blakangan didjadiken kebon sajoer lantaran kakoerangan sajoeran." |
|  "Blokbibliotheek" - Jan Kickhefer 23 January 1945 Source: GVNL - Koninklijke Bibliotheek According Nio Joe Lan's diary of "Dalem Tawanan Djepang", Komunitas Bambu, p.291: "Kamoedian diadaken Watenschappelijke Bibliotheek, dimana dikoempoeli boekoe pengetahoean, hikajat politiek, kesenian, pertanian, techniek dan laen-laen, di bawah pimpinan Prof. Dr. A.J. Bernet Kempers, Bibliothecaris dari Batavia Genootschap van Kunsten en Wetenschappen..." |
 | 1002003 wrote on Nov 24, '10, edited on Nov 24, '10 Hello, I would like to ask if anyone knows what happened to the graves of British civilians who died in Muntok camp on Bangka Island, please? The Commonwealth War Graves Commission says the graves were moved to Bandung in the 1960's but the Dutch war Graves Foundation says that only Dutch military and Dutch civilian graves were moved and that the British civilian graves were left behind in Muntok. Is there anyone who can clarify this for me - my grandfather died in Muntok on 2/8/1944. Thank you very much, Judy Balcombe, Australia |
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